Gathering Information
- Date: Episode released mid-January 2024
- Place: Lake Pointe Church, Dallas, Texas (recorded for the Live Free podcast)
- Leaders/Hosts: Carlos Erazo (host), Pastor Josh Howerton, Pastor Paul Cunningham
Scripture References
- John 1:28; John 3:3–8, 16; John 20:21–22
- Luke 3:21–22
- Matthew 24:12
- Acts 1:8; Acts 2:37–41; Acts 4:23–31; Acts 16:30–34
- Romans 8:9; Romans 10:9–10; Romans 13:1–7
- 1 Corinthians 12:13
- Galatians 5:4–6
- Ephesians 3:14–19; Ephesians 5:18
- 1 Peter 3:18–22
- Proverbs 18:17
- Ezekiel 36:25–27
- Genesis 39
- Other allusions: Day of Atonement—Leviticus 16; Potiphar’s wife—Genesis 39
Introduction
The episode tackles four main topics:
- Frequently shouted questions about baptism (infant vs. believer’s, mode, purpose).
- Catholic, paedo-Baptist, and credo-Baptist positions contrasted.
- “Baptism in / filling with” the Holy Spirit—why believers still need fresh encounters after conversion.
- A real-time cultural case study: the Minneapolis ICE shooting, discernment, and the biblical call to resist a “spirit of lawlessness.”
Key Points
- Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone—“apart from works.”
- In the New Testament baptism always follows personal repentance and faith; no explicit infant-baptism command or example exists.
- Three historic views:
- Roman Catholic / baptismal regeneration (sacramental, saves, usually by pouring).
- Protestant paedo-Baptist (sign of covenant, anticipates future faith, usually sprinkling).
- Protestant credo-Baptist (sign of accomplished salvation, for believers only, immersion).
- Catholics cite John 3:5; Acts 2:38; 1 Peter 3:21. Protestants respond:
- John 3:5 echoes Ezekiel 36 (spiritual cleansing, not literal baptism).
- Acts 2:38 couples repentance and baptism because both normally occur together, not because baptism itself saves.
- 1 Peter 3:21 speaks metaphorically—“an appeal to God for a good conscience,” not the removal of dirt.
- Scriptural and historical evidence of post-conversion Spirit-filling: the apostles (John 20; Acts 2; Acts 4), believers at Ephesus (Ephesians 5:18), plus testimonies (Moody, Edwards, Wesley, Pascal, Aquinas, Josh Howerton).
- Christians are commanded to be continually filled with the Spirit for assurance, power, peace, and love.
- Lawlessness vs. biblical justice: believers must reflect before reacting; verify facts (Proverbs 18:17) and honor God-ordained authority (Romans 13).
- Minneapolis illustration: selective footage stirred outrage; fuller video showed the agent struck by the car—highlighting the need for discernment.
Theological / Exegetical Points
- Metonymy: “baptism” can stand for the whole salvation event; water alone does not justify.
- Day of Atonement typology: two identical goats foreshadow Jesus (sacrifice) and Barabbas (scapegoat).
- Trinitarian revelation at Jesus’ baptism—Father’s voice reveals the heart of true fatherhood (“You are my beloved Son…”) and affirms identity before performance.
- Spirit-filling language: “baptism,” “filling,” “unction” point to the same experiential grace.
Interaction & Group Responses
- Hosts share personal stories: Josh Howerton’s 2014 Spirit-encounter; childhood baptisms; humorous cultural mash-ups.
- Audience sent in a child quoting Josh’s three-step invitation (“God loves you… lock that elbow!")—illustrates baptism enthusiasm.
- Live chat questions addressed: rebaptism after infant sprinkling, timing for children, baptism after recommitment (“one-and-done”).
Practical Applications
- If you were sprinkled as an infant, consider believer’s baptism to ratify your own faith and honor your parents’ intent.
- Parents: look for ongoing evidence of repentance and desire before baptizing young children.
- Seek continual filling with the Holy Spirit—ask, seek, knock (Luke 11:13); attend prayer & worship gatherings expectant.
- When cultural crises erupt:
- Slow down; gather full information.
- Reject predetermined “oppressor/oppressed” narratives; pursue truth and justice.
- Pray for all involved (victims, officers, communities).
- Model godly fatherhood: communicate “You are my beloved child; with you I am well pleased.”
- Submit to legitimate authorities unless commanded to sin; aim for reformation, not lawlessness.
Views on Baptism
| Who It’s For | How It’s Done | What It Does | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Roman Catholic | Infants and believers | Typically pouring | * Initiates the person into salvation. Removes original sin and confers regeneration and saving grace. * Brings the person into the Catholic Church. |
| Protestant Paedobaptist | Infants and believers | Typically sprinkling or pouring, sometimes immersion | * Points expectantly to the salvation of the person that must still happen in the future. * Brings the person into the visible, local church. |
| Protestant Credobaptist | Believers | Immersion | * Points to the person’s salvation that has already happened in the past. * Signifies the person being a part of the invisible, universal Church, and brings the person into the visible, local church. |
Prayer / Intercession Items
- Comfort for the Minneapolis mother’s family, the injured agent, and the city’s peace.
- Outpouring of the Spirit at upcoming Prayer & Worship Night (Jan 21).
- Boldness for new believers to follow Christ in baptism.
- Healing, renewal, and protection over those hurt by past church abuse.
- Greater discernment for believers navigating media-driven outrage cycles.
Next Meeting / Future Arrangements
- Live Free Prayer & Worship Night – January 21, 7–8:30 p.m. (all campuses + online).
- Text “EVENT” to 20411 or visit lakepointe.church/events for details.
Insight
- God rescues us not by the sweat of our deeds but by the blood of His Son; grace through faith alone opens the door to eternal life.
- Once Christ breathes new life into your heart, rise and testify in the waters of baptism; the sign belongs to those who have already begun the journey with Jesus.
- Followers of Jesus listen before they judge, because true justice is impossible when we label enemies before hearing their story; the Cross proves God weighed every case with perfect mercy and truth.
- The Holy Spirit stirs not riots but repentance, empowering God’s people to build, not burn; reformation replaces the spirit of lawlessness with joyful submission to Christ’s kingdom.
- Every authority draws breath from the Father’s throne; when we honor rightful order, we proclaim that Jesus remains the ultimate Lord over earth and heaven, silencing chaos with humble obedience.
- Stop measuring your worth by yesterday’s failures; Christ’s finished work shouts that nothing can be added to the salvation He already secured, so walk freely in the confidence of sons and daughters.
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